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welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase

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today's episode is a little different

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this will be the first episode in an

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ongoing series that will be focused on

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current events surrounding the UFO

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phenomenon and disclosure

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when I first started this podcast 18

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months ago disclosure was moving along

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but progress was slow there were brief

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periods of activity followed by long

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stretches of silence and waiting for

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some new breadcrumb to drop

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at one point louisando said in response

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to the frustration in the community

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among those who were closely following

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the story and anxiously waiting for some

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kind of meaningful development that the

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best move might be to go and find

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something else to do for five years and

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check back in

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so at the time focusing on the

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day-to-day developments of the

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disclosure movement on the podcast just

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didn't feel like a great use of our time

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but over the last year we've seen some

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stunning developments including the

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passing of robust whistleblower

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legislation and the first public

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Congressional UFO hearings in over 50

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years

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and coming into 2023 things seem to be

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really gaining traction

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in fact in February after a bizarre

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string of events involving unknown

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objects being shot down in U.S and

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Canadian airspace the president got on

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TV and told the American people that

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this issue is being taken seriously by

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the White House and that he is being

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regularly briefed on issues related to

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UAP that alone is an undeniable sea

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change in the approach to the phenomenon

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and seems to indicate a shifting of the

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center of power on this issue behind the

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so while it's impossible to know when or

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even if we might get meaningful

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disclosure from the government this

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feels like a good time to clock back in

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things are starting to get good

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now granted trying to understand what's

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going on behind the scenes in Washington

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regarding one of the most closely

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guarded secrets in history can feel like

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trying to read tea leaves through a

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blindfold in a dark room

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and because the mainstream media's

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approach to this topic has ranged from

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ham-fisted ineptitude to outright denial

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of the facts we unfortunately can't

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count on them to help us get an

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understanding of what's going on here

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so to help us get a lay of the land I

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sat down with Christopher sharp the

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founder and editor-in-chief of

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Liberation times Chris is an independent

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journalist hailing from the UK who has

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consistently been beating the mainstream

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media to the punch on some of the

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biggest stories related to UFO

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disclosure the nuance and deep

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investigation that he brings to his work

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is one of the very few beacons of true

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Beyond his work with the Liberation

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times Chris also regularly writes for

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I'm a huge fan of Chris's work so much

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so that I'm a patron of Liberation times

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if you're looking to support people

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doing real and impactful work in this

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community that has the potential to

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really move the needle becoming a patron

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of The Liberation times would be a great

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place to start not only can you feel

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great about supporting Chris's work but

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patrons regularly get behind the scenes

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updates from Chris directly in their

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inbox with all of the latest on what

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stories he's working on Etc Chris tends

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anybody else and so getting those

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updates can feel like living in the

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future it's pretty cool

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also before we jump into this episode I

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just want to say that if you haven't

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been following disclosure closely or if

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your main sources of information on this

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have been from the mainstream media this

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conversation may feel like you're being

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thrown into the deep end there are

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references to lots of different acronyms

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people legislation Etc but you may not

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be familiar with but no worries I got

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description I have put together a

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glossary of terms and acronyms a rough

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timeline of events over the last few

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years links to important reports in

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legislation and a chronological list of

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some of the top stories that Liberation

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times has dropped over the last couple

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years so if you get lost somewhere

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everything that you need to get up to

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speed will be in that episode brief

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and before we begin just a quick

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reminder that tickets are on sale now

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for the Ohio UFO Heritage conference at

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the historic Hope Hotel at

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base on May

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5th and 6th speakers include James Fox

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Dr Diana Walsh pasulka Bryce Sable Dr

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academian J Christopher King Phil Ford

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and JF Martel from weird studies and

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yours truly for tickets and more info go

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to ufoheritage.com the link also is in

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the episode description

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all right let's get to it here's my

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interview with Christopher Sharp

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all right Chris welcome to the show I am

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so thrilled to have you here I've been a

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big fan of your work for a while welcome

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to the show

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Kelly thank you so much for having me

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I'm a huge fan of you as well you

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supported me from the start and I mean

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yeah just from the bottom of my heart

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just thank you and thank you for having

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me on it's it's a great honor for me

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oh I'm thrilled to have you well let's

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just dive right into it I know you've

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got a lot of ground to cover

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um I'd love to start with just you know

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how did you start The Liberation times I

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feel like you and I have come up in this

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community kind of at the same time and

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I was interested in the topic like when

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I couldn't hear what I was young this I

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had like an operation on my ears and

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stuff so it was quite a lonely world

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growing up for me and you're because

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your reality isn't great because you

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can't hear anything and it's tough

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growing up you know and um I think I

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always had that escapism of just

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something coming from another world and

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taking you out of your reality and um

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you know that hope that things can be

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different for the better and I remember

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um UFOs and the aliens and stuff like

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you're just very very grounded and just

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kind of like modern day reality in tasks

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that need to be done as you would know

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so it does it didn't really serve me

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a lot of people and I remember having

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covered I couldn't breathe or anything

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confirmed that the uh well from the

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Pentagon the Pentagon released there to

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the Stars Academy videos uh they

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know like bloody hell this whole thing

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takes me back to when I was younger you

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know the reality you're living in being

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difficult and then all of a sudden

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shakes your reality and again it's kind

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possibility of a non-human intelligence

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the world changing potentially for the

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website basically and set up a News

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Liberation times in reporting on the

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latest UAP news so we were the first

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hearings last year and the same with the

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UAP study from NASA as well were the

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first ones to break that and I'd also

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mention aside from report well

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so I hope that gives you a good kind of

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like summary from from where I'm coming

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from but uh we just try to report the

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UAP topic from the perspective that this

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Watergate or whatever you always go to

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the whistleblowers and that that's why I

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break some of these biggest stories

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around what's really the biggest thing

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happening in the world right now so like

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um political representatives and uh or

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being a defense reporter you know

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um and I've done that from reaching out

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to people

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um from having a a good eye for a story

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so for example I mean to give you an

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example I I noticed on Twitter someone

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was like post posted something about

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um an incident when they were in the U.S

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Air Force about a um

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a shadow person and seeing UAP and stuff

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like that and I noticed this post or

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tweet I guess and um no one seemed to be

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interacting with it had like zero likes

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so I looked on the person's profile he

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was former US Air Force and I was like

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what is like no one noticed this sweet

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and uh yeah I ended up contacting the

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person

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um it was Adrian

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um his name was and um yeah that ended

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up being like a really big story in

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Liberation times and it got reported in

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the Sun as well

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um that you know he was working on a

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base uh which had I think it was white

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Whiteman Air Force Base

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um which had nuclear weapons and

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um he saw a shadow person

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um from within the complex and um I mean

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shadow people had been reported before

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in nuclear

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um facilities uh most natively by George

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Knapp

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um which is a really strange phenomena

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so that sometimes how you get a story

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and also you have to you have to always

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ask the good questions as well so I'm

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always trying to get a good Scoop and

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approach things differently in terms of

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how I ask the questions or sometimes

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demand the questions as well because

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for instance I reported last last year

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last summer that Louis lazondo the

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former director of atit the UAP program

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in the Pentagon I reported that he was

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actually employed within the space force

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and that was a rumor that had been going

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around for a number of weeks and lots of

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journalists and other people had been

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trying to get the Pentagon to confirm

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that story and Susan Gough the Pentagon

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spokesperson UAP was having none of it

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basically and she wasn't getting back to

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people and she was trying her best

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obfuscate and everything so what I did

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is I complained to the Pentagon and the

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IGA made an official Complaint saying

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this is ridiculous you should be able to

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confirm whether or not louisandu is you

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know employed with or contracted to the

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space force and because of that I

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managed to get confirmation so yeah it

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takes all kinds of tricks and methods to

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get the story

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I love that

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um so a lot has already happened with

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regard to UFOs and disclosure in 2023

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and I feel like the buzz in the

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community was definitely already that

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this was going to be a big year but I

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know at least for me and for a lot of

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people I'm talking to

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um it feels like the movement that we've

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seen is still surprising even though you

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know I think you hear oh it's going to

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be a big year and I always say if I hear

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something's definitely going to happen

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in the next in the next six months I

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always immediately assume that it might

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happen in the next 10 years that's sort

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of how I temper my expectations but this

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year has been surprising in terms of how

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fast things have been moving and I

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really want to talk about about all of

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that but before we get to that I'd sort

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of like to set the stage can you give

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the listeners a brief overview of some

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of the progress that was made in 2022 of

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last year and then how that set us up

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for 2023

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gosh good good there's a lot so don't

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don't feel the need to hit it all

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mine exploding there

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so I I would say that um

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so what we had was we had the

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we had the first public hearing

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um on the topic of UAP for the first

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time in like 50 years or something like

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that that was a huge step forward in

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bringing this topic into the public

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Consciousness so that was a really

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really big development there

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and that created occur like major ways

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in terms of news headlines and I think

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on the back of that as well I had a

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Daily Mail story about UAP seen in the

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Sinai Peninsula by military burst now

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and that was the top story in the Daily

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Mail on that day on the website she's

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really really big you know Daily Mail is

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the most read English speaking

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publication

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was a really big to get to the top

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um you know and that was because of the

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hearings

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um so that was a really big deal and

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then we had the NASA UAP study announced

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and um I mean that that's moving

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forwards now so we should hear some more

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progress about the NASA UAP

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um study

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um this year and from what I'm hearing

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that's gonna be a really really big part

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of the story

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um in terms of developments with UAP so

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we had that and then I think well the

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most notable thing really that I can say

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is that we had language draft language

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which came out of the set of

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intelligence committee

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um for the intelligence authorization

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act which basically alluded to possible

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illegal secret or special access

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programs

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um run Within

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most likely defense contractors like

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Lockheed Martin because there was

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language providing whistleblower

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protections and a mechanism for

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whistleblowers to come forward safely to

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report a legal

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program to do with UAP so that could be

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reverse engineering

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um that could be crash retrievals and

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stuff like that and to see that language

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reports that you know used by the um

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used by the Senate

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shocking really and um you know I was

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speaking to my sources you know and

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you're used to them talking about events

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to enable aviators and seeing things

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that they can't understand and it just

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jumped from that and Naval Aviation

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seeing stuff up off the West Coast or

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east coast to uh lucris

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um we have it's very very likely that we

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have um illegal special access programs

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running in this country

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um in the USA

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um that's been hidden by Hayden from

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Congress and that's a major deal because

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you have to report special access

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programs to the gang of eight

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even if it's verbally you have to make

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it clear what you're doing so if that's

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not being done that's a huge huge deal

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um so I I would say that that was huge

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and in the end that language passed with

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an ash potential authorization act

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um and I mean that's really set up quite

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nicely

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um for this year and I think as well in

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2022 I think I don't know if I'm

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confusing it now I I think it was when

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San Marino passed project Titan as well

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so if you don't know what project Titan

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is Project Titan is an initiative set up

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by

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um

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a person named Paulo guzardi with the

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help of Roberto panotti so these are two

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Italian UAP researchers and it's

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basically they've taken this initiative

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to San Marino whereby they've requested

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San Marino the government the San Marino

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to

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um take up the issue of UAP before the

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before the United Nations

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um so that San Marino would essentially

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become the Geneva of UFOs

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and this is a huge deal I mean it goes

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from being an American issue to an

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international issue

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um so you know Paulo and um Roberto have

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been plugging away at this for like

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around almost two years now and um last

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year if my memory is correct but it's

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happened anyway

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um San Marino

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um accepted this project

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um and agreed that it will go before the

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United Nations to request

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um periodic

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um conferences

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um under the Aegis of the UN

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um to looking to the UAP topic so that

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that

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it's really really big really really big

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um so yeah you've got so many

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developments happening sorry it's

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difficult to get my head around it

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sometimes no you killed it that was

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great and there's so many you know we

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came into this year with all of these

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victories right and we thought we were

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going to have okay 2023 is going to be a

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huge year for disclosure that was what

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we were all told but I don't think

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anyone saw coming what happened in

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February

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um obviously there's a huge media circus

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around the multiple unidentified objects

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that were shot down over the U.S and

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Canadian airspace in February and it

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feels like every twist and turn of the

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story has only made it like harder to

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decipher

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um it can be really hard to cut through

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the noise and figure out what's going on

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when you talk about this story because

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it seems like it changes every week and

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different people are saying different

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things so after weeks of watching this

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unfold and with what you're hearing from

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your sources behind the scenes what do

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you think are just like the biggest

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takeaways from these events without

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getting too Lost In The Weeds like what

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should we What's significant about what

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what's happened and what should we be

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I'm going to be controversial here and I

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I'm going to downplay the initial um the

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significance of those events to a

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certain extent because

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Insight within what was going on within

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the Congress were already telling me

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that that we've made more progress

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this past week for example this is

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before the event than we had made in the

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last two years

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when it comes to this topic so I was

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talking about is that basically before

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these things happened

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um in February so I I would say that but

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the significance of it really is that

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this has now been elevated to the White

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House

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UAP

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interagency team that is huge led by

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Jake Sullivan National Security advisor

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um for Joe Biden and I can confirm to

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you that advocates

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had been telling me that they wished for

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this to be enacted

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this is going back to October now that

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they were telling me that Chris we need

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something within the White House we need

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a special curve like group or task force

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within the White House basically that's

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what we need when it comes to this so it

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seemed that the February event triggered

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this interagency team

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um to

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to kind of like take place and we're

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awaiting more information on that but

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that's that's really the big takeaway

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here and um look it's one thing Kurt

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Patrick

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quite a lowly level person when it comes

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to the big scale of things Kurt

556
00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,940
Patrick's Patrick leads the dodn

557
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:02,760
um OD and I Arrow office he's the

558
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,260
director of it

559
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,760
um but you know it's one thing for him

560
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,440
saying to like a general within the US

561
00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:09,720
Air Force give me all your UAP

562
00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:12,780
information and they'd be like screw you

563
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:14,340
um and there's a difference between that

564
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,679
and you know someone serving at the

565
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,480
pleasure of the president

566
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:20,460
saying give me your UAP information

567
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,440
because if I say no to that person

568
00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:24,419
they're saying no essentially to Joe

569
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:27,480
Biden the president so it makes a big

570
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:29,159
difference so we're awaiting more

571
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:32,700
details on that to occur but I would

572
00:22:35,649 --> 00:22:34,140
also add as well sorry I'm really going

573
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,659
over my time here in terms of

574
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,159
summarizing this nicely but I would add

575
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:40,020
that I think that these objects that

576
00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:41,820
were

577
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:44,039
um seen over North America in February

578
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:45,960
from my understanding what I'm hearing

579
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:48,120
is that they were prosaic they were

580
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,080
prosaic however you know it

581
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,440
it has elevated the issue of UAP

582
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,140
um even further than it was before

583
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:03,049
perspective

584
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,200
so

585
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:07,200
I know that we're hearing that we might

586
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:08,940
be getting UFO hearings what are the

587
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:10,500
what's the latest that you're hearing on

588
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:12,179
that right now

589
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:14,100
yeah yeah it's a difficult situation

590
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,500
because I reported back in I think it

591
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:18,659
was like November that we could expect

592
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,220
um what sources were saying that we

593
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:21,360
could expect

594
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,820
um UAP hearings when the national

595
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:26,880
protects authorization Act was passed

596
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,159
and

597
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:31,200
I suppose like when when you think about

598
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,700
it yes Biden passed it in I think it was

599
00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:37,080
like late December

600
00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:39,900
but the budget's only you know

601
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:42,059
the budget for it is going through now

602
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,620
and that's you know one of the most

603
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:45,840
important aspects of it as well but it

604
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:47,220
didn't happen when I thought it was

605
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,140
going to happen which reminds you these

606
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:50,640
situations are always really really

607
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:52,140
fluid

608
00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:54,179
um and there's lots of moving Parts at

609
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,039
play so you can never say it's

610
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:57,360
definitely gonna happen on this date

611
00:24:01,970 --> 00:23:59,400
it's never going to happen definitely

612
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:01,980
until it is confirmed and that press

613
00:24:06,610 --> 00:24:04,020
release is sent to the New York Times

614
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:06,620
you get the exclusive

615
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:09,780
last year I mean

616
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:10,620
um

617
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:13,500
and uh yeah I mean I'm hearing that

618
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:15,780
there are two possible committees that

619
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:18,299
could be holding public hearings

620
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:20,340
um so one is the emerging threats

621
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:21,720
subcommittee within the armed services

622
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:23,880
senate committee led by Kirsten

623
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:25,559
gillibrand so that's

624
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:28,140
what I'm hearing and any other one is

625
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:30,360
um one of the subcommittees perhaps

626
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:34,260
within the oversight house committee

627
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,080
um and that would be led by um burchett

628
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,840
who's really advocating for that one and

629
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:41,940
I can confirm that yeah arrangements are

630
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,620
being made right now

631
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,440
um people are being spoken to in terms

632
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,240
of being called up

633
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,220
um for such hearings and I would also

634
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:52,159
state that if these hearings do go ahead

635
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:54,840
there'll be much more meaningful than

636
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,580
the hearing that took place last year

637
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:58,559
and we should uncover a lots more

638
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:00,360
information when it comes to those as

639
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:04,200
well at the moment I'm hearing hearing

640
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,460
hearings

641
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:07,919
um that these should take place

642
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,039
um either next month or may but look

643
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,280
these things you can never be sure

644
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,159
because all it takes is Russia to sell

645
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:19,200
for tactical nuke in the Ukraine

646
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,179
tomorrow and everything is off course

647
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:23,400
you know so you can never say it's

648
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,600
definitely going to happen and I just

649
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:26,100
find myself in the same situation as

650
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,980
last year because I knew that Carson was

651
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:31,200
going was on the brink of announcing the

652
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,539
public hearing and I was like chasing

653
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:35,039
around can you confirm this can you

654
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:37,080
confirm this and no one was telling me

655
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,760
anything probably because the New York

656
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,799
Times already had the exclusive but um

657
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,440
yeah it's always difficult this you know

658
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:45,240
you could be chasing around chasing

659
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:46,919
around but

660
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,080
I mean there's not you know if they've

661
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,640
decided to give the exclusive to someone

662
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,279
else there's not really much you can you

663
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:54,720
can really do in terms of getting

664
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:56,940
official confirmations to do with these

665
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:58,980
things but um yeah at least two

666
00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:00,900
committees anyway I'm hearing

667
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,059
are most likely to hold public hearings

668
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,360
but it may be other committees as well

669
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:09,000
um yeah it's it's a very very exciting

670
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,400
time very very exciting time

671
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:13,740
that's amazing I can't wait to see how

672
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:16,740
that all unfolds um what in your what is

673
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:17,820
the sense that you're getting about

674
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:20,640
what's driving this current push for new

675
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:23,100
hearings was there is this sort of like

676
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:26,520
an accumulation of different things that

677
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:28,020
are causing them to push for this or

678
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:29,460
like has there been anything in

679
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,900
particular that triggered it like what

680
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,360
is Congress why why is Congress more

681
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:34,799
engaged with this issue now than they

682
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:37,080
were before

683
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,679
because it was verified in the summer

684
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,169
possibly illegal special access programs

685
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,159
run by

686
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,740
perhaps a Lockheed Martin let's say the

687
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:55,500
reverse engineering

688
00:27:03,470 --> 00:26:56,400
um

689
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:03,480
intelligence and that has

690
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:08,279
being verified to an extent by

691
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:12,240
um certain congressional committees

692
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,419
and this and the respective staff you

693
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,760
work on those committees so that that

694
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,159
has been verified the whistle will be a

695
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,840
language within the national political

696
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,880
authorization act it didn't come from

697
00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:26,340
nowhere the Senate intelligence

698
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,900
committee didn't just wake up one day

699
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,760
and say hey you know what I'm going to

700
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:30,960
do I'm just going to draft this language

701
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:33,539
about you know whistleblowers and UAP

702
00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:35,220
and special access programs like they

703
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:37,080
dreamed up you know like their JK

704
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:38,279
Rowling or something like that and

705
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:39,779
they're making stuff up no it doesn't

706
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:40,980
come from nowhere we're talking about

707
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,080
serious committees here

708
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,299
um that have a very very serious

709
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:48,360
um responsibility in terms of

710
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:51,179
um the intelligence

711
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:53,400
um community and protecting the United

712
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:55,980
States and holding the intelligence

713
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,900
Community to to account as well because

714
00:28:03,710 --> 00:27:59,640
the Senate intelligence committee came

715
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,720
about because of the um the the church

716
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,700
um committee from I think it was like

717
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,100
the 1970s when it was revealed that MK

718
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:09,840
Ultra was happening in all these other

719
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,179
pieces were happening so this is really

720
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:13,440
really serious stuff here that we're

721
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:15,659
talking about and

722
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:17,460
um I think that

723
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,320
to a certain extent

724
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,779
this new push

725
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,480
has been triggered from Revelations

726
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,460
let's say that they're having that

727
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:28,620
they're finding out in private in terms

728
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,880
of these committees there has been

729
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:32,880
testimony given by whistleblowers that

730
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:35,820
have knowledge on these um

731
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,760
these programs locations have been given

732
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:40,860
by these whistleblowers as well as to

733
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,100
where these programs are operating and

734
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,559
um the only thing that I'm unsure is

735
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,600
the extent to which

736
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,880
these programs have actually been

737
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,279
verified by

738
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:54,960
the Congress

739
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,779
that's the only thing I'm sure of but

740
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:59,340
you know sources keep on telling me

741
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,500
saying you know Chris by the end of 2023

742
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:02,640
we're going to be a very very different

743
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,539
landscape in terms of this topic and you

744
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,520
know we shouldn't forget that

745
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,260
this whistleblower stuff in this

746
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,320
language and these claims of illegal

747
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,240
special access programs that these are

748
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:17,880
real so I think that

749
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,340
is a very very important cast list for

750
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,679
potential

751
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,940
earrings but but also there are other

752
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:26,399
things as well like the Republicans took

753
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,659
control of the house for instance you

754
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:29,600
know and

755
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:33,779
mccarthio's burchett uh

756
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,659
favor because burchett was instrumental

757
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,820
of him becoming the leader of the house

758
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,320
whatever you know and that's allowed

759
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:42,899
Burchette now to have some power to call

760
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,220
for hearing so there's stuff like that

761
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,320
they're in play as well

762
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:48,240
um but yeah it's it's a very very

763
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:49,799
exciting time and obviously we had the

764
00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:52,500
February event and that plays a certain

765
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,899
that pays a certain

766
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,940
um part in it as well and I would also

767
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:58,919
bring up one other thing as well that if

768
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:01,500
the UAP interagency group in the White

769
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:02,460
House

770
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,940
is going to steal the Thunder of Arrow

771
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,620
then look you know you're going to have

772
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,539
senators and representatives who are

773
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,779
going to want to demonstrate that look I

774
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:14,640
was onto this issue and I was advocating

775
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,679
for this issue way before Biden got

776
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:18,000
involved you know I've been speaking

777
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,620
about this for a long time let me remind

778
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:21,419
you of this let me hold a public hearing

779
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:23,700
so you know who really is being kind of

780
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,799
like driving this issue forward see you

781
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,539
might have some of that playing out as

782
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:30,240
well so um that that's that's my own

783
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:31,500
kind of like thoughts into what's going

784
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:34,740
on baby it's various factors really

785
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,899
it's interesting how the human element

786
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,880
does always come into it right like it's

787
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:40,380
this huge issue but then it comes down

788
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,640
to like somebody owes somebody a favor

789
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:44,039
right I find that so interesting but I

790
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,659
also find so interesting and what I feel

791
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:47,760
like isn't being surfaced enough that

792
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,320
you definitely emphasize in what you are

793
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:51,120
saying that I feel like the American

794
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:52,860
people aren't really getting is that

795
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,679
it's not just about UFOs it's about the

796
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,080
fact that these illegal special access

797
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:00,480
programs have been existing within

798
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,059
Private Industry and that like billions

799
00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:05,520
maybe even trillions of dollars are

800
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,039
being spent without any kind of

801
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:10,620
oversight from Congress and that in and

802
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,059
of itself even if we weren't talking

803
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:13,919
about UFOs we could be talking about

804
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:16,980
anything like that would be one of the

805
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:19,260
biggest stories ever right

806
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:22,380
yes absolutely absolutely and look it's

807
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:25,559
time it's time for this to come out now

808
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,419
it is time

809
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,399
I think

810
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:31,020
I gotta be careful with my words here

811
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,419
but look I think that

812
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:35,760
when we're writing the history of this

813
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,539
topic things are going to emerge

814
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:41,640
that not everyone's aware of at the

815
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,080
moment

816
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:45,240
um but all I would also add as well I

817
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,460
said this publicly before that that

818
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:50,340
there may be a very very good reason why

819
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:52,260
this is coming out in terms of Defense

820
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,880
contractors you know what makes people

821
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:55,679
think that defense contractors don't

822
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,659
want this information coming out maybe

823
00:32:03,049 --> 00:31:59,940
defense contractors like Lockheed Martin

824
00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:03,059
want these programs coming to light

825
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:05,159
but in a way that protects them from

826
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,140
being sued and getting them in trouble

827
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:09,539
because

828
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:10,860
they were

829
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,899
given these programs I'm hearing from

830
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:14,760
the US government maybe back in the 70s

831
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:16,020
you know

832
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,799
um

833
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,840
and

834
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:21,840
currently we have a situation where a

835
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:23,700
lot of best Engineers are going to

836
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,100
SpaceX and places like that

837
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:28,799
unaware of the fact that places like

838
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,559
Rocky maybe Raytheon as well have these

839
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:33,679
special access programs and working on

840
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,419
non-non-human intelligence so that

841
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,580
that's a that's a major factor I think

842
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,440
and also another major factor is China

843
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:43,919
China potentially potentially has its

844
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:46,260
own reverse engineering programs and let

845
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,940
me tell you something China is very very

846
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,960
good at reverse engineering things

847
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,760
to its detriment in the last few years

848
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,039
and look China can also keep a secret as

849
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:58,440
well they have something like um I think

850
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,659
it's like out of every 10 people there's

851
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,600
like one Communist Party member

852
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,880
um so they can keep things pretty hushed

853
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:07,679
up you know so they can have a lot more

854
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:09,299
people potentially working on such

855
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,840
programs and more so than the US so you

856
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,360
know it would it would help the US to

857
00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:16,799
actually kind of like bring more people

858
00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:18,539
into this to actually

859
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:21,299
um you know get ahead in any race to

860
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:22,919
reverse engineer the technology because

861
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,840
if China reverse Engineers technology

862
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,720
first then it's game over because look

863
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:30,360
UAP know how to detect nuclear

864
00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:32,220
technology

865
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:34,700
um so having that detection method would

866
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,480
basically like it would destroy the um

867
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:41,840
the deterrent that the US has because

868
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:44,519
you know UAP seems to know where the

869
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:46,019
submarines are which have nuclear

870
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,460
technology for instance if the Chinese

871
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,620
they were all the nuclear U.S submarines

872
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:51,840
are that's that's a very very big

873
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,779
problem so um yeah I think there's a lot

874
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,360
of potential reasons why why this might

875
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,820
be happening right now

876
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:02,039
absolutely and I think

877
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:03,720
something else that maybe is a little

878
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,419
harder for the public at large who's not

879
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:08,879
immersed in this topic every day to

880
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:10,940
really wrap their minds around is that

881
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,000
we don't have the Smoking Gun on you

882
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:16,980
know crash materials and potentially

883
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,800
even bodies quite yet but with this much

884
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,960
smoke

885
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,460
you know even as we talk about reverse

886
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:25,619
engineering like we it it it comes back

887
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:26,940
to okay so what are we reverse

888
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:29,760
engineering in your opinion

889
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,040
what with this much smoke do you feel

890
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:33,839
like what are the chances that this is

891
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,419
that we don't have some kind of

892
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:38,760
materials that are have been squirrel

893
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:44,270
all you can do as a journalist

894
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:51,050
and I have a high level of trust in my

895
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:52,200
sources

896
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,839
because they provided me the Scoops I've

897
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,280
got in the past

898
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:58,380
and I trust them and it's just coming

899
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,060
from multiple sources that are

900
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:01,920
unconnected some of them don't know each

901
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:03,060
other and they're all singing from the

902
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:04,920
same hymn book

903
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:07,099
um and

904
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,240
there definitely is something happening

905
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:11,040
here and it's very very difficult to

906
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,780
find a Smoking Gun when it comes to this

907
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,700
publicly because remember when it comes

908
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,560
to special access programs

909
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,480
I think the majority of their budget is

910
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,400
spent on security

911
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,800
I mean you know to get in a skiff for

912
00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,540
example is very very difficult we were

913
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,579
talking about layers upon layers of

914
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,400
security so any of this to come to light

915
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:31,440
publicly in terms of specifics and

916
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,180
smoking guns

917
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,520
is gonna be it was it's basically going

918
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:37,920
to take an act of God

919
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:41,099
um in terms of the situation before

920
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,599
um the National Defense authorization

921
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:44,520
Act passed

922
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:46,260
um with that whistleblower language in

923
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,579
so

924
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:50,880
it's very difficult but I I think that

925
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:53,940
there is momentum now to actually

926
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,099
get this information out and I would add

927
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,380
as well that Ross quarter has reported

928
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:00,300
that

929
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:07,920
someone major let's say within the U.S

930
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,990
a very very senior person if I said the

931
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:16,740
name of this person

932
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,320
people's Jewel would drop to the ground

933
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,180
and

934
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:23,400
what's been confirmed to me by three

935
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,839
other sources

936
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,119
after Ross came out publicly and report

937
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,820
on that is that this really happened

938
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:32,400
what really happened well

939
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,400
the allegation is this person

940
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,980
to build the beans the Biden's team in

941
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:40,560
terms of the U.S Air Force

942
00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:42,060
covering up

943
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,060
this UAP topic

944
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,480
um and that extended to special access

945
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:50,579
programs as well this information

946
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:54,900
imparted to Joe Biden's team so

947
00:37:02,810 --> 00:36:59,220
it's it's it's yeah it's I I I I've said

948
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:02,820
previously that it's a critical mass now

949
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:05,579
and someone I really really trust

950
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:07,079
Who would know

951
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,380
said to me said they said Chris no it's

952
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,000
not a critical mass

953
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:15,839
it's beyond critical mass now

954
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:18,839
so look I I can only as I said I'm a

955
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,800
journalist

956
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:23,040
I report this as a scandal from the

957
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,300
whistleblowers

958
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,339
and and this is what

959
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,520
my sources are telling me and um

960
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:31,680
you know so far they've not led me

961
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:32,940
astray

962
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:36,180
um I think what they're talking about is

963
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:38,339
correct the only thing I would caution

964
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:41,400
is timelines as I said you know like

965
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:43,260
people are saying to me look the

966
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,400
landscape's gonna look very very

967
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:47,040
difficult Chris by the end of 2023 but

968
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:48,839
anything could happen this year you know

969
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,180
as I said you know Russia could launch a

970
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:53,460
new Ukraine which would be the most well

971
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:55,079
the most appalling events in human

972
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,099
history

973
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,680
and all of a sudden we could be taken

974
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:00,240
off course we might we might not even

975
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,280
have a planet anymore you know so

976
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,040
I would always caution anything can

977
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,200
happen so when it comes to timelines

978
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:09,180
have patience

979
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:10,740
um we are on a good trajectory at the

980
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,450
amazing do you get the sense that

981
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,200
because this is actually tipping my hand

982
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,240
a little bit something that I'm hearing

983
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,700
from various sources behind the scenes

984
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:25,680
who are I trust very much but who don't

985
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:27,180
know each other

986
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:28,440
um or at least as far as I know don't

987
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,820
know each other

988
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,880
um has to do with the idea that The

989
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:35,760
Whistleblower legislation has changed

990
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:37,260
things especially for people in the

991
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:39,420
private sector and that the private

992
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,380
sector is now potentially pushing the

993
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:45,480
government in terms of disclosure

994
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,740
because the government doesn't want the

995
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,480
private sector to get too far out ahead

996
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:50,700
of them and so it's kind of play it's

997
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:52,200
sort of pushing their hand a little all

998
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:53,400
these people who've worked in these

999
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,839
special access programs we've worked for

1000
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:56,520
Lockheed Martin who worked you know

1001
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:57,900
potentially with the space program and

1002
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,940
all of that so is that something that

1003
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,460
you're also or are you hearing Rumblings

1004
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:04,079
about that as well that the that it's

1005
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:05,460
the private sector that's really pushing

1006
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,280
the hand of the government on disclosure

1007
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,260
it's always been the case

1008
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:13,440
it's the Genesis of this modern day UFO

1009
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,579
story

1010
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,380
it's always been the private sector

1011
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,440
since day one in terms of what we

1012
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,140
in terms of the story that's

1013
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,480
maybe a few months time I can talk with

1014
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:27,440
more specifics when it comes to this

1015
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,320
uh me too

1016
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,540
we can talk offline after this yeah um

1017
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:35,760
yeah absolutely

1018
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:38,820
um but yeah it this this whole thing the

1019
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:40,680
whole time I I would argue the whole

1020
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:42,900
time it's always been driven by the

1021
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:45,540
private sector I would say people always

1022
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,859
got it wrong the wrong way around

1023
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,200
they're saying no lock ing not want this

1024
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,359
out they do not want us out what makes

1025
00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:53,760
people so sure

1026
00:40:01,550 --> 00:39:57,560
I agree I agree so what will you

1027
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:01,560
sorry absolutely so what will you be

1028
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:03,540
looking for in the coming months like

1029
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:05,640
what what sort of things are you gonna

1030
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:08,220
be on the lookout for at you know if we

1031
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,780
get these Congressional hearings what

1032
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:12,119
other sorts of movement might we expect

1033
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:14,220
to see or potentially see in the next

1034
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:21,890
I think

1035
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,170
see people are concentrated very much on

1036
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,680
hearings at the moment I would say in

1037
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:28,440
terms of the public hearings

1038
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:31,079
each committee that holds hearings may

1039
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:32,940
take a very very different stance on it

1040
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:35,400
so the emerging threat one for example

1041
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,859
may start or break conservatively just

1042
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,720
talking about surveillance balloons and

1043
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:41,880
surveillance drones it might lead

1044
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:45,680
somewhere else as they you know not

1045
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,680
99 or 98 of the public they're not on

1046
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:51,599
the same page as us when it comes to

1047
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,099
this they're not on the same page of the

1048
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,400
earth history so you've got to walk them

1049
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:58,859
you got to walk them through this and

1050
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,079
take logical steps so it makes sense to

1051
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:03,780
kind of like take this from balloons

1052
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,700
surveillance balloons and surveillance

1053
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,920
drones and then take the logical steps

1054
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:09,359
of saying well actually some of these

1055
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,079
things are not balloons and surveillance

1056
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:14,640
um drones they're actually something

1057
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:16,020
different and these are the behaviors

1058
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:18,119
that they exhibit and then play this out

1059
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:19,859
publicly potentially in hearing so

1060
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,540
that's something that could happen I

1061
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,980
think you could also expect to some of

1062
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,599
these public hearings as well that label

1063
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:27,000
aviators and sailors come forward as

1064
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,720
well

1065
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,940
that something's gonna happen I would

1066
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:31,680
also keep my on Jeremy Corbell and

1067
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,180
George Knapp they've come out with some

1068
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:36,240
fantastic exclusives much more to come

1069
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:38,220
from those guys I mean these guys

1070
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:41,339
they're uh yeah if this is the modern

1071
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:43,140
day

1072
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,980
um Watergate scenario that you know they

1073
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:49,200
are those reporters

1074
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,180
um is it who are the reporters and

1075
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:53,940
Watergate again with Bernstein and I

1076
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:55,140
can't remember the other one now but

1077
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,820
those are the reports is basically who

1078
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,079
are uncovering a lot of this stuff

1079
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:00,780
anyhow so I'd watch out for them

1080
00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:02,579
um I think yeah I think NASA I think

1081
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:04,380
some major things could come from NASA

1082
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:07,079
look NASA's Mission can change overnight

1083
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:09,060
it could change from looking for

1084
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:11,960
microbes on Mars to looking for like

1085
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:14,099
intelligent life on the moon or

1086
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,599
something like that you know you don't

1087
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,560
know

1088
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:18,359
um and I think that a lot has been

1089
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,280
covered up potentially by NASA when it

1090
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,160
comes to this so look out for NASA as

1091
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:25,500
well and also look out for other nations

1092
00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:28,920
joining the conversation as well so I

1093
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:30,200
think I've mentioned before that

1094
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,480
Canada's joined the game now it's got

1095
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,280
its own

1096
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,560
um Chief scientists looking into the UAP

1097
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:38,940
topic

1098
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:41,099
um so look at that look out for Russia

1099
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:44,579
as well and look out for China

1100
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:46,440
um I would remind people that project

1101
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,420
Titan the one that I was talking about

1102
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,640
taking the

1103
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:51,680
um

1104
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,280
the UAP topic to the United Nations and

1105
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:58,260
I'd remind people that that effort

1106
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:01,140
originated in China

1107
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:03,260
in 2018

1108
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,160
there were

1109
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,720
um two events that took place I think

1110
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:09,359
one was in Chongqing in China and the

1111
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:11,940
other one was in Moscow and it was a

1112
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:13,020
joint

1113
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,800
China on the UAP topic and they paid for

1114
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:22,560
international researchers new AP topic

1115
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,119
from over the world to fly over into

1116
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,480
China and Moscow to join the conferences

1117
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,119
and the aim was to actually bring the

1118
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:32,760
topic before the United Nations

1119
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:35,460
um but then all of a sudden it just all

1120
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,520
went quiet it all went quiet I believe

1121
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,119
that it all went quiet because

1122
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,160
it was agreed perhaps in private that no

1123
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:46,859
one nation should lead this this effort

1124
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,400
that should be seen as an organic

1125
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:53,579
um an organic movement

1126
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,380
um led by Paulo and Roberto uh Paulo has

1127
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:00,300
never confirmed that to me though uh

1128
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:01,980
maybe being something conspiracy nut but

1129
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:03,240
that's a that's a little a little

1130
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,980
personal opinion that I hold anyway and

1131
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:07,440
I think that you know China has the

1132
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:11,040
largest UFO organization in the world as

1133
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,740
well I think I previously said a million

1134
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,599
people but I think actually it may be a

1135
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:17,160
hundred thousand members that they've

1136
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:20,220
got in terms of the uap's

1137
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:23,460
um organization in China

1138
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,460
um and you know enough no group is able

1139
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,079
to exist in China about the government

1140
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,420
giving its approval as well so I think

1141
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:32,640
China was away from this issue so I

1142
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,859
expect you know China also has its own

1143
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,660
UAP program as well which was announced

1144
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,700
about two years ago so I think you can

1145
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:40,079
expect more movement when it comes to

1146
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:41,579
China Russia yeah

1147
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:44,460
hopefully the UK as well hopefully the

1148
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:47,940
UK I'm I'm wishing so people won't think

1149
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:50,940
I'm a Nut anymore in my own family

1150
00:44:56,109 --> 00:44:54,180
um they don't um it's my brother who's a

1151
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:56,119
nut so um

1152
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,500
hopefully we we see some more progress

1153
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:00,420
in the UK anyway and we see this being

1154
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:03,000
taken seriously by members I do know

1155
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,740
that behind the scenes I always say

1156
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,900
behind the scenes I know it's it's

1157
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,020
frustrating when I say that but MPS

1158
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,940
members of parliament are interested in

1159
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:13,200
this there are some members of

1160
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:14,520
parliament who do take a great interest

1161
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,440
in this but they're too scared to come

1162
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,780
out in public at the moment

1163
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,880
ah well it sounds like we have an

1164
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:22,980
absolutely incredible year ahead of us

1165
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,319
with all with all of those dominoes

1166
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,940
ready to fall you feel like at least a

1167
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:28,920
couple of them have to tip over right it

1168
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,780
feels like we've got some kind of shot

1169
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:33,599
something so well hopefully I can have

1170
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:35,880
you back on when some of those dominoes

1171
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:38,040
start to fall so that we can talk about

1172
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,260
everything that's going on I so

1173
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:42,119
appreciate you taking the time today to

1174
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:43,500
talk through all of this and give people

1175
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:44,940
kind of some background about what's

1176
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:46,260
going on and what might be coming up in

1177
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:47,700
the next few months

1178
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:49,079
um Chris it's been an absolute pleasure

1179
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:50,579
thank you so much

1180
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,920
Kelly the pleasure is mine thank you so

1181
00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:55,440
much to you and your audience and I look

1182
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:57,500
forward to coming back soon

1183
00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:00,660
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1184
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